[TEXTS, Various]

[dialogical]

[This post is for AR bothering people during the event.

It's also cool if for some reason you want to text him.]

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[Karkat, Private]

[dialogical]

Better?

[ihateyouetc]

BARELY.
YOU ARE REALLY FUCKED UP, YOU KNOW THAT?
WHEN PEOPLE TELL YOU THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU
THEY DON'T WANT TO FUCKING TALK TO YOU.
YOU DON'T JUST INSTIGATE MORE CORRESPONDENCE WHILE THEY'RE VULNERABLE AND IN A STATE WHERE THEY CAN'T SHUT THE FUCK UP EVEN MORE THAN THEY CAN'T USUALLY SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[dialogical]

By my calculations.
Which are not even particularly impressive.
Basically any human with even the most rudimentary mastery of their organic processor could determine this same information.
Your moods vacillate wildly.
Would you like to discuss a topic that is comfortable and interesting to you until you're feeling more forgiving?

[ihateyouetc]

FUCK OFF.
I'M NEVER NOT GOING TOFFALKSFJLKADSFLKS

[ihateyouetc]

YOU KNOW WHAT
HAVE AT IT!
WHO THE FUCK CARES.
WHY AM I EVEN TRYING ANYMORE??

[ihateyouetc]

PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME WITH A TOPIC YOU BELIEVE IS COMFORTABLE AND INTERESTING FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT
SINCE ALL THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT ANYWAY!

[dialogical]

Untrue.
I may be fully willing to bully you into conversation but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to meet in the middle somewhere.
What do you like to talk about?

[ihateyouetc]

RIGHT NOW I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING
BUT HEY WHATEVER. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU MEANT AND I KNOW IT.
WHAT YOU MEANT WAS WHAT DO I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IN GENERAL.
I COULD SAY ABOUT MOVIES OR SOMETIMES BOOKS OR SOMETHING
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE OF IT. THOSE AREN'T REALLY THE PARTS I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT MOST.
NOT ONLY THAT BUT MOST OF THE MEDIA HERE IS FOCUSED ON HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS AND IT GETS BORING.
NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO ME WHEN I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TROLL RELATIONSHIPS EXCEPT ONE OF THE DOCTORS.
BUT REALLY, RELATIONSHIPS IN GENERAL ARE INTERESTING.
I EVEN LIKE IT WHEN EVERYBODY BRINGS ME THEIR RELATIONSHIP BULLSHIT NO MATTER HOW TRITE ANY OF IT IS.

[ihateyouetc]

GOD.
THIS IS STUPID.

[dialogical]

Actually, I've been looking for the opportunity to flesh out my understanding of troll culture.
I have some data and numerous theories but only so much can be discerned from the methods an insanely powerful alien empress used to destroy all civilization your planet.

[ihateyouetc]

ARE YOU SERIOUS.

[ihateyouetc]

I COULD JUST START TALKING IF YOU WANT
BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR YOU WANT TO KNOW
I DON'T MIND GOING OFF YOUR STARTING POINT SINCE I DON'T EXACTLY GET TO TALK ABOUT THIS A LOT.

[dialogical]

Ok.
Since this one came up recently anyway.
I'm curious as to how an obviously violent culture that advocates culling the 'weak', believes in a hate-based romance, and does not apparently encourage reliable platonic friendships, persists in the face of the fact that frankly, you all seem woobie as fucking hell and more out for companionship and reassurance than homicide.

[ihateyouetc]

BEFORE I ANSWER THAT, HOW FAMILIAR ARE YOU WITH THE HEMOSPECTRUM.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT BRIEFLY BUT I WANT TO KNOW IF I NEED TO GO INTO THAT BULLSHIT OR IF YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ABOUT IT.

[dialogical]

Essentially warmer hued bloods are physically weaker, have shorter lifespans, are are more prone to undesirable genetic variation, and are thus the lesser castes. Moving into the cooler hues, trolls are more powerful and presumably allowed higher social status. On Beforus this was the same but instead of encouraging culling the lower castes, they encouraged coddling.

1/SEVERAL. I HATE AR AND I HATE MYSELF FOR WRITING ALL OF THIS.

[ihateyouetc]

FUCKING AWESOME
THAT'S HUMAN SARCASM BY THE WAY
I LEARNED SOMETHING ELSE NEW ABOUT THAT TODAY!
NOT ONLY DID I HAVE TO CHOKE DOWN THE FACT I HAVE AN ANCESTOR AND IT WASN'T JUST BULLSHIT PERPETUATED BY HIGHBLOODS TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL EVEN MORE SMUG
AS IN ACTUALLY CONFRONT THAT IDEA
AS IN IT ACTUALLY REALLY FUCKING EXISTS
THERE *WAS* AN ASSHOLE BEFORE ME WHO WAS PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL TO ME GENETICALLY WHO WAS MURDERED HORRIBLY TRYING TO START A REVOLUTION BECAUSE HE WAS ULTIMATELY A PEACE SEEKING MORON WHO SOMEHOW MANAGED TO GET CAUGHT
AS IN I CAN'T ACTUALLY DENY THAT ANYMORE AND PRETEND THIS PLACE DIDN'T FUCKING TREAT ME TO SOME OF THOSE HORRIFIC MEMORIES FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AND NOW I GET TO LEARN THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR UNIVERSE PROBABLY HAPPENED TO OURS!
SUCH AS JOHN'S EARTH WAS PRETTY FUCKING UNEVENTFUL WITH NOTHING WRONG EVER HAPPENING BEFORE HE PLAYED THE GAME AND YOUR EARTH WAS A FUCKING MONSTROSITY IN COMPARISON.
SO MEENAH'S VERSION OF ALTERNIA WAS PROBABLY A LOT LIKE EARTH AND MY ANCESTOR GOT TO SIT AROUND GETTING FUCKING CODDLED BECAUSE OF HIS HORRIFIC MUTANT BLOOD.
GOD
THAT JUST PISSES ME OFF.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY EXACTLY. BUT IT'S NOT THAT I THINK ALTERNIA WAS HORRIBLE.
IT WAS A HELL OF A LOT BETTER THAN THIS BORING PLACE.
AUGH, FORGET IT.
YOU UNDERSTAND THE BASICS OF THE HEMOSPECTRUM.
IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT CLASS DISPARITY TALK TO ERIDAN AND LISTEN TO HIM TRASH EVERY LOWBLOOD EVER DESPITE THE FACT HE GENERALLY LISTENS TO ME.
I'M MOVING ON.

STRANGELY ON TOPIC DESPITE THE QUADRANTS COMING UP.

[ihateyouetc]

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHATEVER THE FUCK WENT ON BEFORE ALTERNIA BUT HERE WE GO!
TROLLS' LIVES BEGIN LIKE THIS: HATCHED IN THE BROODING CAVERNS.
FROM THAT MOMENT EVERYTHING IS STACKED AGAINST THEM.
MY TEAM DIDN'T ACTUALLY HATCH THOUGH.
WE NEVER WENT THROUGH THE WRIGGLING TRIALS REGULAR TROLL WIGGLERS DO BECAUSE THE GAME DICTATED I WAS THE ONE TO CREATE PARADOX CLONES OF US, WHICH I'M GUESSING EXPLAINS HOW TAVROS FOUND A LUSUS IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE HONESTLY? I HAVE A HARD TIME IMAGINING THAT GUY MAKING IT OUT OF THE CAVERNS ON HIS OWN.
I MOSTLY JUST FEEL SORRY FOR HIM BECAUSE HIS EXISTENCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN PRETTY PATHETIC.
JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME SCOPE ON WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A WIGGLER
ALTERNIAN PAINT IS MADE FROM THE BLOOD OF CULLED WIGGLERS.
PROBABLY FROM THOSE WHO NEVER MADE IT OUT OF THE CAVERNS OR WHO WERE HATCHED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT PURPOSE.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW.
OK, I'M SKIPPING DETAILS TO TRY TO CONDENSE THIS A BIT.
TROLL WIGGLERS AND HUMAN BABIES ARE REALLY DIFFERENT. WE'RE ORIGINALLY HATCHED WITH SIX LEGS AND LOSE TWO OF THEM AFTER WE PUPATE. AFTER THAT OUR APPEARANCE IS VAGUELY SIMILAR EXCEPT WE'RE WAY MORE MOBILE. HUMAN BABIES SEEM TO TRY EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO GET THEMSELVES KILLED, SUCH AS PUTTING DEADLY THINGS IN THEIR MOUTHS AND TRYING TO STICK METAL UTENSILS IN ELECTRICAL SOCKETS WHICH, AS I'VE SAID TO SOMEONE ELSE BEFORE, I'M PRETTY SURE I SAW JOHN TRY TO DO AT LEAST ONCE WHEN I WAS WATCHING HIS TIMELINE.
TROLLS ARE PICKED BY A LUSUS AFTER THEY EMERGE FROM THE BROODING CAVERNS.
IF THEY'RE REJECTED BY EVERY LUSII, THEY DIE. IF THEY'RE NOT SELECTED BY A LUSUS IN TIME, THEY DIE. IF THEY'RE EATEN BY A LUSUS
WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON BY THE WAY
MY LUSUS TRIED TO EAT SOME OF MY FRIENDS BEFORE
THEY DIE. IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT OUT OF THE CAVERNS, THEY DIE.
AS THEY GROW UP, IF A LOWBLOOD LOOKED AT A HIGHBLOOD IN A MANNER CONSIDERED EVEN SLIGHTLY DEROGATORY AND THE HIGHBLOOD DIDN'T COTTON TO THAT SCATHING OFFENSE, THEY'D BE CONSIDERED PERFECTLY IN THEIR RIGHTS TO MURDER THE LOWBLOOD FOR THAT INFRACTION.
THIS SORT OF THING PERPETUATED THE CYCLE OF "SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST" SINCE IT ENCOURAGES EVERYONE TO BE A COMPLETE ASSHOLE TO EACH OTHER IN ORDER TO STAY ALIVE.
THAT'S NOT TO MENTION THE IMPERIAL DRONES.
THIS IS WHERE THE QUADRANTS COME IN A LITTLE.
AS SOON AS WE'RE OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND ANYTHING WE'RE TAUGHT THE IMPERIAL DRONES ARE GOING TO COME FOR US AND WE DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT BY THE TIME THEY DO WE HAD BETTER FUCKING HAVE OUR SHIT TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR GENETIC MATERIAL AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE "I SOMEHOW FAILED TO SUSTAIN A KISMESISSITUDE!" OR "OH SHIT, I DON'T HAVE A MATESPRIT EITHER" FOR AN ANSWER.
THEY ARE GOING TO KILL YOU FOR FAILING TO PROVIDE TO THE MOTHERGRUB SO SHE CAN START THIS CYCLE ALL OVER AGAIN.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO OUR SURVIVAL ON ALTERNIA TO HAVE THOSE TWO CONCUPISCENT QUADRANTS FILLED IF WE WANT TO LIVE TO SEE ADULTHOOD.
AFTER THEY'VE SATISFIED THE GENETIC COLLECTION REQUIREMENT AND REACH FULL MATURITY MOST TROLLS ARE TAKEN OFF PLANET AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONDESCE'S IMPERIAL FLEET AS SHE EXPANDS HER HORRIFIC ALBEIT EXTREMELY INTIMIDATING AND AWESOMELY IMPRESSIVE DOMINATION OVER THE UNIVERSE.
BASICALLY, ALTERNIA WAS LEFT TO KIDS. I GUESS SOME GUY AFTER MY ANCESTOR TRIED TO START A REVOLUTION AND ALMOST SUCCEEDED?
SO THEY DIDN'T LET ADULT TROLLS STAY ON ALTERNIA ANYMORE SINCE THE CONDESCE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVOLT.

[ihateyouetc]

THIS WAS WAY MORE THAN I ACTUALLY WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THIS MATTER BUT WHATEVER.
IN SUMMARY: BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH HEAVY EMPHASIS IN OUR CULTURE PLACED ON PROCREATION AND THE CONCUPISCENT QUADRANTS
TROLLS WERE MOSTLY LEFT SCRAMBLING TO FILL THEM INSTEAD OF FORMING RELIABLE PLATONIC FRIENDSHIPS BECAUSE THOSE DON'T KEEP US ALIVE.
WE COULD HAVE ALL THE FRIENDS IN THE DAMN WORLD AND THAT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF IT MEANS WE FAILED TO SUSTAIN THE PROPER RELATIONSHIPS. MOIRAILS AND AUSPISTICES ARE GREAT BUT IF WE BREAK IT DOWN TO WHAT OUR CULTURE IS ALL ABOUT, THOSE TWO ROMANTIC ROLES SERVE LARGELY TO STABILIZE OUR VOLATILE PERSONALITIES AND MERCURIAL RELATIONSHIPS.

[ihateyouetc]

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IT PERSISTED BECAUSE EVERYTHING ABOUT OUR PLANETARY CONDITIONS SHAPED US TO ENDURE FUCKING GRUESOME AND HORRIBLE SHIT THAT I WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE CONSIDERED ALL THAT GRUESOME AND HORRIBLE IF NOT FOR SEEING HOW HUMANS ACTUALLY LIVE.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEIR MOVIES DIDN'T USE REAL HUMANS FOR THE DEATH SCENES FOR A WHILE.
THEY HAVE SOME PRETTY CONVINCING STAGE MAKEUP.
IN SHORT
WE ARE ALL FUCKING CRAZY.
SOME OF US MORE THAN OTHERS THOUGH
VRISKA AND ERIDAN IN PARTICULAR ARE SUCH HUGE FUCKING MESSES.
THEY'VE MURDERED SO MANY TROLLS I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY CAN COUNT THEM.
GAMZEE'S PRETTY BAD TOO BUT HE CAN ACTUALLY SUSTAIN A MORALLEGIANCE SO HE'S DOING BETTER THAN THEM.
SURPRISE. THEY'RE ALL HIGHBLOODS!
AS A GENERAL RULE HIGHBLOODS ARE THE CRAZIEST MOTHERFUCKERS OUT OF ALL OF US.

DONE JESUS CHRIST.

[ihateyouetc]

DO YOU NEED CLARIFICATION.

I. I thought you went to bed....

[dialogical]

Not particularly.
That was beautiful.

I BRAVED LIKE 49385 DISTRACTIONS AND INTERRUPTIONS TO TYPE THAT. AND I'D DO IT AGAIN.

[ihateyouetc]

AWESOME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I suppose you have to love doing that to play Karkat

[dialogical]

Plenty.
What's to stop two trolls from claiming they are matesprits or kismeses and copulating to avoid annihilation?

I ONCE TYPED LIKE 6,000 WORDS ON TROLL ROMANCE. I FORGET THE EXACT NUMBER.

[ihateyouetc]

PROBABLY NOTHING? BUT LIKE...
THERE'S A CERTAIN POTENCY TO THE GENETIC MATERIAL OF LEGITIMATE PAIRS
SO I IMAGINE TWO TROLLS WHO ULTIMATELY DON'T FEEL ANY MATING FONDNESS FOR EACH OTHER WOULD PRODUCE A WEAK RESULT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE DRONES CAN SENSE OR THE MOTHERGRUB CAN TELL BUT REGARDLESS I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THAT HAPPENING.
TO ME THAT SAYS IF THAT DID HAPPEN IT WASN'T ENCOURAGED OR NOBODY WHO DID THAT WAS EVER ALIVE TO SAY IT.
NOT TO MENTION OVERALL A LOT OF TROLLS WERE CONCERNED WITH THE PERPETUATION OF OUR SPECIES AND THE OVERALL OUTLOOK OF OUR CULTURE IN GENERAL CONDITIONED US TO BE PRETTY AMBITIOUS ABOUT THAT.
YOUR GENES FIGHT FOR SUPREMACY IN THE INCESTUOUS SLURRY THE MOTHERGRUB MAKES OUT OF EVERYTHING.
THE STRONGER THE FONDNESS IN THE MATESPRITSHIP, THE MORE DOMINANT THE GENES.
SAME WITH THE KISMESISSITUDES. THE STRONGER THE RIVALRY, THE STRONGER THE GENES.

[ihateyouetc]

THAT SAID, SOME TROLLS HAVE ONE KISMESIS AND ONE MATESPRIT BUT THOSE TWO AREN'T ALWAYS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
A TROLL IN A MATESPRITSHIP MAY OSCILLATE BETWEEN RED AND BLACK FEELINGS FOR THEIR PARTNER
WHICH IS CONSIDERED PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE.
SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TROLLS IN YOUR TWO CONCUPISCENT QUADRANTS.
YOU COULD HAVE ONE TROLL FULFILLING BOTH OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
YOUR MATESPRIT OR KISMESIS GENERALLY AREN'T YOUR MOIRAIL OR AUSPISTICE, EVEN THOUGH I BET SOMEONE'S TRIED TO DO THAT BEFORE.
THOSE TWO QUADRANTS, WHILE NOT MANDATORY BUT ARE REALLY FUCKING NECESSARY IF YOU ASK ME, ARE USUALLY FILLED BY TWO DIFFERENT TROLLS OR ONE TROLL OSCILLATING BETWEEN THE PALE AND ASHEN ROLES.
PERSONALLY, I WOULDN'T WANT MY MOIRAIL TO DOUBLE AS MY AUSPISTICE, MATESPRIT, OR KISMESIS BUT THAT'S JUST ME.